newfosgatesucks
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So you are saying, the guy runs 4-5 balls, and falls on this shot, and you randomly proclaim all frozen balls before you leave the table? What I'm saying is he runs into this shot during his inning - Like I said- Be Honest with yourself. He jumps out of his chair with 5 balls on the table, pulls off a heck of a shot, and runs a few more, You KNEW what shot you LEFT him and it has no chance of foul...
You know I tend to agree with your opinion on the matter, and you know I feel it is my responsibility. All I am saying is there are instances where the situation does not call for escalated attention, in which case (re:my example) you would be shooting at game ball, with him needing two, and now you are left with the scenario of playing even with him getting the first move.
It is not acceptable to allow these things to slide at the professional level.
And Let's say you DO notice the frozen ball - so now you are left to find a tournament official while he shoots-And violate the very "never leave the table while he shoots" rule? That everyone defends?
Or if you wait until he falls on it and notify him-
-does your opponent deserve to be stopped mid-inning because the depicted shot is frozen and wait for a tournament official? Is that required in ANY sport? ANY sport at all?
And, keeping it honest - Would you notice it from your chair, which you are INSTRUCTED to sit in when not at the table- so there are loop holes in the program? Would it cross your mind to call that ball froze in the first place? REALLY think, about the situation...I believe the last thing on most players mind would be that frozen ball...Because of the circumstance.
Re: the current state of pool- the very reason it is there is because it is a gambling game and it is labeled as a game with little to no ethics, and we can all stand here and defend unethical behavior.
And that is fine - seriously, less that 5 percent of people in america are pool fans/players. What about Football, Baseball, Basketball, etc?
I paid rent & utilities, ate, paid more child support a month than I had to, while playing this game for a living. It was my responsibility to keep them playing. That 5 percent of the population who follow this game- if it were raised by 2.5 percent it would mean players galore, nation-wide. But we can't beat our label, I had to give up. I suffered only two serious losses and a winning record in the 90 percentile, had a tournament record that was remarkable. But the limited people to play and the limited percent of those who had enough to gamble enough to make it worth playing, is not as high. So I got a real job. If pool had a more ethical root in america's mind, I would still be playing full-time, 12 hours or better every day. But we stand up to defend the unethical! Look what it does to the sport guys.
It is our responsibility as representatives of an era of this fine sport to elevate it higher, not to accept mediocre for an answer. Did any top pro accept mediocre results in practice? No. Then why accept mediocre as the great decider of a major event?
The very fact we accept this, is a major contributor to the state of Pocket billiards - and it is our responsibility to make this go away for future generations, because this fine sport does not die when we do.
You know I tend to agree with your opinion on the matter, and you know I feel it is my responsibility. All I am saying is there are instances where the situation does not call for escalated attention, in which case (re:my example) you would be shooting at game ball, with him needing two, and now you are left with the scenario of playing even with him getting the first move.
It is not acceptable to allow these things to slide at the professional level.
And Let's say you DO notice the frozen ball - so now you are left to find a tournament official while he shoots-And violate the very "never leave the table while he shoots" rule? That everyone defends?
Or if you wait until he falls on it and notify him-
-does your opponent deserve to be stopped mid-inning because the depicted shot is frozen and wait for a tournament official? Is that required in ANY sport? ANY sport at all?
And, keeping it honest - Would you notice it from your chair, which you are INSTRUCTED to sit in when not at the table- so there are loop holes in the program? Would it cross your mind to call that ball froze in the first place? REALLY think, about the situation...I believe the last thing on most players mind would be that frozen ball...Because of the circumstance.
Re: the current state of pool- the very reason it is there is because it is a gambling game and it is labeled as a game with little to no ethics, and we can all stand here and defend unethical behavior.
And that is fine - seriously, less that 5 percent of people in america are pool fans/players. What about Football, Baseball, Basketball, etc?
I paid rent & utilities, ate, paid more child support a month than I had to, while playing this game for a living. It was my responsibility to keep them playing. That 5 percent of the population who follow this game- if it were raised by 2.5 percent it would mean players galore, nation-wide. But we can't beat our label, I had to give up. I suffered only two serious losses and a winning record in the 90 percentile, had a tournament record that was remarkable. But the limited people to play and the limited percent of those who had enough to gamble enough to make it worth playing, is not as high. So I got a real job. If pool had a more ethical root in america's mind, I would still be playing full-time, 12 hours or better every day. But we stand up to defend the unethical! Look what it does to the sport guys.
It is our responsibility as representatives of an era of this fine sport to elevate it higher, not to accept mediocre for an answer. Did any top pro accept mediocre results in practice? No. Then why accept mediocre as the great decider of a major event?
The very fact we accept this, is a major contributor to the state of Pocket billiards - and it is our responsibility to make this go away for future generations, because this fine sport does not die when we do.
Cowboy Dennis said:NFS,
Almost without exception, any player that I've ever gambled with would call the 1 ball frozen before he sat down. If he didn't and I executed the shot the way you've shown it would not be a foul because the ball was not called frozen and confirmed by me as such. In order for a ball to be considered frozen it must be called frozen by your opponent and confirmed by you. The 1 ball is not frozen until both players agree it is frozen.
Dennis