How Would You Get Out?

[senor]

And that left shoe of course, would be the 6ball....



- Ghost

So do smart pool players go to strip clubs or erotic clubs?

 

[vapros]

CD is both subtle and ambiguous. As he noted, all us high-IQ types agree that the left shoe goes on first, but at the same time there is no need to agree on which ball is the left shoe. Whichever way you go, ol' Dennis is 'spot on', as we say in Liverpool. As usual, he's got you covered.

Changing the subject, I just watched a fascinating movie, which I borrowed from the local library. Ask for 'A Very British Gangster'. Sort of a documentary, with very helpful subtitles in order to follow the Cockney dialogue of these Manchester footpads.

Maybe this won't be charged as a highjack. Maybe.

 

[KindlyOleUncleDave]

Take up Bowling or 'Go Fish' or something besides pool

Take up Bowling or 'Go Fish' or something besides pool

If you cannot execute a cut of the 4 with shape on the 6 and then shape for a near dead bank on the 9 and AT LEAST lock the 9 in the jaws of your pocket.

I am sorry but I cannot take it any longer!

And if you are always stealing then you are excused as you are always chosing the 4th best shot and here there are only three possible shots ... so of course you are confused ....

Ooooooops .... I forgot .... no excuses .. you could always take a scratch or duck safe for the 4th shot.....

 

[gulfportdoc]

You know something Doc? We are all having different levels of problems with the WEI table lately but I think that for the last year, you have had more problems than any of us. Even when others weren't having problems you were still experiencing them. I know you know how to WEI but do you think there may be a problem with your computer? I don't know that much about those things myself.

Well, no, this is the first problem I've had with the software portion of the Wei. I had a few user problems awhile back, but I learned how to use the features properly.

I've Emailed Wei. I'll probably end up uninstalling and re-installing the program. That should probably fix it.

Thanks~ Doc

 

[newfosgatesucks]

Cloth condition : wet - 4 ball first, high inside, bank and hold with top.

Dry - bank first. 4 next, follow across to the bottom ball.

(I smell the force follow bank shot being revealed here...)

 

[Patrick Johnson]

Is the general reluctance to shoot the bank first only because it's the most likely miss? Or is there some other reason I'm overlooking?

Seems to me that the 9 is also the ball most likely to be made first by your opponent if you happen to miss (!) one of the ducks.

pj <- don't know nuttin' 'bout no 1-pocket
chgo

 

[NH Steve]

Is the general reluctance to shoot the bank first only because it's the most likely miss? Or is there some other reason I'm overlooking?

Seems to me that the 9 is also the ball most likely to be made first by your opponent if you happen to miss (!) one of the ducks.

pj <- don't know nuttin' 'bout no 1-pocket
chgo

I am known for being "weak to the pocket", and that it is better to leave me safe by leaving me a long shot than a bank shot, yet even I would not bank at that ball, with two nice close cut shots available. Maybe on an ultra tough table I would -- or if I have been dogging the cut shots...

 

[gulfportdoc]

I'm sure that Fusco and Artie would bank the 9-ball. Varner MIGHT shoot one of the other two first. Frost, T-Rex and Reyes would shoot the 4-ball first. I'm going to the poolroom this afternoon, so I'll set up the shot and see which is the best choice for the average player.

I'm hoping it's not the 6-ball. OPG's ego has been acting like "The Blob".

Doc

 

[One Pocket Ghost]

I'm hoping it's not the 6-ball. OPG's ego has been acting like "The Blob".

Doc

Just trying to 'hold my own' against all of the other egos here on the forum....

 

[Tennessee Joe6]

Well, no, this is the first problem I've had with the software portion of the Wei. I had a few user problems awhile back, but I learned how to use the features properly.

I've Emailed Wei. I'll probably end up uninstalling and re-installing the program. That should probably fix it.

Thanks~ Doc

PEBCAK = Problem Exists Between Chair And Keyboard

 

[Dudley]

Is there really any better option?

Is there really any better option?

I missed the first 5 pages of this thread till today. My opinion is that the most logical shot is to play the 6 first. The four could be made first but why would you hit a shot soft with english when you could play a firm center ball shot? Make two balls then bank the nine..... At some point you have to try to run out.

I agree 100% with OPG's original post.

Dudley

 

[Cowboy Dennis]

I saw this come up today. How would you run out to pocket 'A'.

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To All,

I think this is a great layout. I don't really think there is a wrong way to run out here. Do what you are comfortable doing.

Rod pointed out, very validly, that you should get in the one-hole first before banking the 9.

Ghosty says up & down the table with the 6 ball being shot first, which is what I would do on a tight table, where banking the 9 might not be a cinch.

Some say shoot the 4 first and go round the block for positch. Others say the 4 first but hit with inside and play shapes on the 6.

Everyone has a good and valid reason for the ball they would shoot first. I'll give mine for shooting the 9 ball first, on a table that's not extremely tight. Not sloppy-loose, but snug without being treacherous. I think the 9 ball is a mickey-mouse bank. That is to say, a bank that a one-pocket player has to shoot and make as if was a pocket-hanger. That bank comes up so often that many times you will or should bank it before running other open balls. And I have to admit, I don't hit them as well anymore as I should. Not seeing well up close makes me hit the cueball in the wrong place and I miss these MM banks. But I shouldn't.

I know that some (Rod, you lucky dog) are betting high and playing on tight tables. You have to respect the pocket size in situations like that. Get on the hill and then bank the 9 is right in that situation.

I can't believe this layout got so many responses but it's nice to see the varying ideas from everybody, except the Duck.

Dennis

 

[gulfportdoc]

PEBCAK = Problem Exists Between Chair And Keyboard

Smartass. Actually I went ahead and uninstalled, then re-installed Shockwave, and now it works fine. The only problem now is that I have to look at some of y'alls silly shots.

Doc

 

[gulfportdoc]

To All, I think this is a great layout. I don't really think there is a wrong way to run out here. Do what you are comfortable doing.

I went to the poolroom today and set this layout up. Our Diamonds are 4-1/2 pockets, so they're not unusually tight. The 6-ball seemed to be a good shot, although if the CB over-rolls coming off the head rail, the run is over.

The 4-ball is almost out of the question. It almost takes a trick shot stroke to get the CB straight across table for shape on the 6.

The 9-ball bank is an easy 1P bank. I like the shot because it's almost impossible to sell out if you miss. There is a danger of rolling the CB too far cross table, which would end the run.

So there again, on either real tight, or tight and wet equipment, I'd skip the 6-ball, and bank the 9. Otherwise I'd shoot the 6 first.

Doc

 

[SJDinPHX]

To All,

I think this is a great layout. I don't really think there is a wrong way to run out here. Do what you are comfortable doing.

Rod pointed out, very validly, that you should get in the one-hole first before banking the 9.

Ghosty says up & down the table with the 6 ball being shot first, which is what I would do on a tight table, where banking the 9 might not be a cinch.

Some say shoot the 4 first and go round the block for positch. Others say the 4 first but hit with inside and play shapes on the 6.

Everyone has a good and valid reason for the ball they would shoot first. I'll give mine for shooting the 9 ball first, on a table that's not extremely tight. Not sloppy-loose, but snug without being treacherous. I think the 9 ball is a mickey-mouse bank. That is to say, a bank that a one-pocket player has to shoot and make as if was a pocket-hanger. That bank comes up so often that many times you will or should bank it before running other open balls. And I have to admit, I don't hit them as well anymore as I should. Not seeing well up close makes me hit the cueball in the wrong place and I miss these MM banks. But I shouldn't.

I know that some (Rod, you lucky dog) are betting high and playing on tight tables. You have to respect the pocket size in situations like that. Get on the hill and then bank the 9 is right in that situation.

I can't believe this layout got so many responses but it's nice to see the varying ideas from everybody, except the Duck.

Dennis

I saw no need to comment on such an easy layout...I would no doubt be out 99% of the time, (if I were in destroy mode)... no matter which ball I shot first. I may be upper middle aged...but I am not "snowblind"..

PS..What the hell is a "MM bank" ?

 

[Cowboy Dennis]

PS..What the hell is a "MM bank" ?

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Cowboy Dennis


I think the 9 ball is a mickey-mouse bank.

Dennis


You do read the posts that you are responding to, don't you DA, or were you JK? IMHO people should spell out words or other people will they they are SFI. JMHO . LOL.

Dennis

 

[SJDinPHX]

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Cowboy Dennis


I think the 9 ball is a mickey-mouse bank.

Dennis


You do read the posts that you are responding to, don't you DA, or were you JK? IMHO people should spell out words or other people will they they are SFI. JMHO . LOL.

Dennis

WTF, Shouldn't you be (A)working, (B) sleeping, (C) blowing snow...or (D) watching porn...or something productive ?

Did you just call me a "Duck's Ass" ?

Just for that...IWNGUOOTEC to offer my valuable insight to your SWEITG..

 

[Cowboy Dennis]

WTF, Shouldn't you be (A)working, (B) sleeping, (C) blowing snow...or (D) watching porn...or something productive ?

Did you just call me a "Duck's Ass" ?

Just for that...IWNGUOOTEC to offer my valuable insight to your SWEITG..

Duck,

"Duck's Ass never entered my mind . I'm leaving for work in 10 minutes, it's almost 4:30 a.m. here and we only have freezing rain this morning to contend with. I'm off the next two days though and I'm shooting pool tomorrow, woo hoo!!! I'm sure I'll have some boring WEI shot to post, maybe even a 6 or no-count layout if that guy shows up. I'm sure you'll be anticipating the moment when you get to offer your own brilliant insights on "what you would do". After all, you are a very inciteful person .

See ya later Ducky.

Deek

 

[senor]

I went to the poolroom today and set this layout up. Our Diamonds are 4-1/2 pockets, so they're not unusually tight. The 6-ball seemed to be a good shot, although if the CB over-rolls coming off the head rail, the run is over.

The 4-ball is almost out of the question. It almost takes a trick shot stroke to get the CB straight across table for shape on the 6.

The 9-ball bank is an easy 1P bank. I like the shot because it's almost impossible to sell out if you miss. There is a danger of rolling the CB too far cross table, which would end the run.

So there again, on either real tight, or tight and wet equipment, I'd skip the 6-ball, and bank the 9. Otherwise I'd shoot the 6 first.

Doc

I never did like Diamond tables, so maybe what you say about the trick shot stroke is true. From cyberspace it just looks like left english a little above center of the cue ball. Maybe more english than some are comfortable using, especially with the no-deflection, spliced-up shafts a lot of people like to use.

Someone (SJD) finally said it correctly in that if we're firing on half of our cylinders, we're out, no matter what shot is shot first. I would shoot the 9 if I could stall on my opponent a bit, and if he would not recognize it was a stall.

I have to disagree on the selling out part. If the 9 ball is missed, unless you overrun shape on the 4, I think any better player I have ever played would bank the 4 (a) to try to win the game (b) to take a ball out of play.

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[lll]

lets get a poll of opinions . would you bank the 4 or move the 9 . me id move the 9 rather than try the bank. im ahead in the score