SactownTom
Moderator
The recent thread about the 'loss of game' because a player moved 2 or more balls has brought up an interesting point.
By the rules it is a forfeit when a player moves (rakes 2 or more) balls thinking he has won the game, when in fact he still needs to meet the game's required number of balls.
There seems to be a 'timing' issue with Roy's explanation. He says he moved his ball on the score string, then raked two or more balls at the SAME time John was checking to see if Roy count was correct. Roy was then racking the RAKED balls when John saw the Coin. This is when the ref was called to make the ruling.
I think we all agree that Roy made a mistake that should be penalized.
I also think that the loss of game was not a fair ruling.
Changing the rules to spot up a ball as soon as you make a ball is VERY unfair to the player sitting. A shooting player should not be adding balls in the playing area when he is still shooting.
Playing the game over isn't fair to the non-shooting player, what has he done to deserve this 'penalty'? He doesn't deserve to win a game this way either.
Solutions? (Tournament rules only)
A game can only end when both players agree the game ending conditions are met. It is a simple thing to ask your opponent one time.. Game over? if he answers YES. The game is OVER. if he answers NO he also has to explain why. Ball count, coins on the table, it doesn't matter. Once the non-shooting player agrees it is over.
Let's try to keep this simple. No one should lose a game like this and no one should win a game like this.
Play the game out and let both players agree it is over.
By the rules it is a forfeit when a player moves (rakes 2 or more) balls thinking he has won the game, when in fact he still needs to meet the game's required number of balls.
There seems to be a 'timing' issue with Roy's explanation. He says he moved his ball on the score string, then raked two or more balls at the SAME time John was checking to see if Roy count was correct. Roy was then racking the RAKED balls when John saw the Coin. This is when the ref was called to make the ruling.
I think we all agree that Roy made a mistake that should be penalized.
I also think that the loss of game was not a fair ruling.
Changing the rules to spot up a ball as soon as you make a ball is VERY unfair to the player sitting. A shooting player should not be adding balls in the playing area when he is still shooting.
Playing the game over isn't fair to the non-shooting player, what has he done to deserve this 'penalty'? He doesn't deserve to win a game this way either.
Solutions? (Tournament rules only)
A game can only end when both players agree the game ending conditions are met. It is a simple thing to ask your opponent one time.. Game over? if he answers YES. The game is OVER. if he answers NO he also has to explain why. Ball count, coins on the table, it doesn't matter. Once the non-shooting player agrees it is over.
Let's try to keep this simple. No one should lose a game like this and no one should win a game like this.
Play the game out and let both players agree it is over.