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STATS FROM THE DCC ONEPOCKET COURTESY OF ATLARGE FROM AZB
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Here are some statistics from the 2024 Derby City Classic's One-Pocket Tournament, played January 21-26 at Caesars Southern Indiana Hotel & Casino in Elizabeth, Indiana with pay-per-view streaming by Accu-Stats. Fedor Gorst won the event, defeating Shane Van Boening in the final match.
This event had 402 players, and operated under the standard DCC format of redrawing match pairings for every round, with one buy-back permitted for each player. All races were to 3. The primary commentators were Mark Wilson and Jeremy Jones. Others who commentated on one or more matches were Corey Deuel, Scott Frost, Billy Incardona, and Nick Varner. The referees were Ken Shuman and Ed Liddawi.
Conditions -- The conditions for this event included:
- Diamond 9-foot table with 4½" corner pockets and blue Simonis 860 or 860 HR cloth;
- Aramith Tournament balls with an Aramith "Diamond" cue ball with blue spots;
- triangle rack;
- rack your own with alternating breaks;
- a ball made on the break in the breaker's pocket requires a re-break;
- a ball jumped off the table to prevent the opponent from scoring is counted for the opponent;
- game scores (ball counts) are raised by one point for each player when a player's score goes to (-1) and the other player is already negative;
- when a player reaches a game score (ball count) of negative five, he loses the game (did not happen);
-new Express Rules: at the 2-hour point in a match, begin spotting any balls in excess of 4 above the head string; at the 3-hour point, begin spotting any balls in excess of 2 above the head string; at the 4-hour point the match ends, with the player ahead winning.
- 60-second shot clock with one automatic 60-second extension per player per rack;
- 3 fouls in a row is loss of game (did not happen);
- cue ball fouls only; and
- lag for opening break.
The 14 matches (59 games) streamed by Accu-Stats were as follows (shown in the order in which they were played):
Tues. Jan. 23, 2024
1. David Matlock defeated Skyler Woodward 3-1
Wed. Jan. 24
2. Roberto Gomez d. Christopher Salmons 3-0
3. Tony Chohan d. Scott Frost 3-2
4. Brandon Shuff d. Justin Hall 3-2
5. Naoyuki Oi d. Billy Thorpe 3-2
6. John Morra d. Danny Olson 3-2
Thurs. Jan. 26
7. Evan Lunda d. Tony Chohan 3-2
8. Shane Van Boening d. Billy Thorpe 3-2
9. Fedor Gorst d. Nathan Childress 3-0
10. Louis Demarco d. Jayson Shaw 3-1
11. Van Boening d. Gomez 3-2
Fri. Jan. 27
12. Gorst d. Joshua Filler 3-0
13. Van Boening d. Gorst 3-1
14. Gorst d. Van Boening 3-0 (Final)
■ Breaks by side of table -- 25% (15 of 59) from the breaker's left and 75% (44 of 59) from his right
■ Games won by breaker
When breaking from his left side of table -- 12 of 15 (80%)
When breaking from his right side of table -- 28 of 44 (64%)
Total -- 40 of 59 (68%)
■ Games won by player who scored the first point (or had it scored for him) -- 48 of 59 (81%)
■ Matches won by winner of lag -- 9 of 14 (64%)
■ Match lengths
Longest in total length (2 hrs. 28 min.) -- Shuff defeated Hall 3-2
Highest in average minutes per game (29.7 min.) -- Shuff defeated Hall 3-2
Shortest in total length (37.1 min.) -- Gomez d. Salmons 3-0
Lowest in average minutes per game (12.4 min.) -- Gomez d. Salmons 3-0
Average match length -- 80 min.
Average minutes per game -- 19 min.
■ Distribution of lengths of games:
Under 10 minutes -- 8 games
10-19 minutes -- 31
20-29 minutes -- 10
30-59 minutes -- 10
60+ minutes -- 0
Total -- 59
■ Distribution of game scores:
8-7 -- 6 times
8-6 -- 1
8-5 -- 5
8-4 -- 4
8-3 -- 6
8-2 -- 5
8-1 -- 8
8-0 -- 17
8-(-1) -- 5
8-(-2) -- 2
Total -- 59
Average game score -- 8 - 2.4
■ Average match score -- 3 - 1.2. Four matches ended at 3-0, 3 at 3-1, and 7 at 3-2.
■ Ball counts by length of run:
The total ball counts resulted from the following runs and fouls.
1 ball -- 87 times
2 balls -- 48
3 balls -- 31
4 balls -- 21
5 balls -- 7
6 balls -- 8
7 balls -- 10
8 balls -- 10
9+ balls -- 0
Plus balls pocketed by opponents -- 43
Minus fouls -- 58
Plus DCC negative score adjustments -- 10
TOTAL ball count (59 games) -- 588
■ Distribution of run-outs to win the games:
1 ball -- 18 (31% of 59 games)
2 balls -- 15
3 balls -- 6
4 balls -- 2
5 balls -- 3
6 balls -- 2
7 balls -- 4
8 balls -- 9 (15%)
Average (mean) "out" run -- 3.4 balls
Average (median) "out" run -- 2 balls
■ High run-outs
8-and-outs -- 9 times: 2 by Thorpe (both in Match 8) and Gorst (Matches 9 and 12); 1 each by Chohan (Match 3), Morra (Match 6), Oi (Match 5), Shaw (Match 10) and Van Boening (Match 13).
This event had 402 players, and operated under the standard DCC format of redrawing match pairings for every round, with one buy-back permitted for each player. All races were to 3. The primary commentators were Mark Wilson and Jeremy Jones. Others who commentated on one or more matches were Corey Deuel, Scott Frost, Billy Incardona, and Nick Varner. The referees were Ken Shuman and Ed Liddawi.
Conditions -- The conditions for this event included:
- Diamond 9-foot table with 4½" corner pockets and blue Simonis 860 or 860 HR cloth;
- Aramith Tournament balls with an Aramith "Diamond" cue ball with blue spots;
- triangle rack;
- rack your own with alternating breaks;
- a ball made on the break in the breaker's pocket requires a re-break;
- a ball jumped off the table to prevent the opponent from scoring is counted for the opponent;
- game scores (ball counts) are raised by one point for each player when a player's score goes to (-1) and the other player is already negative;
- when a player reaches a game score (ball count) of negative five, he loses the game (did not happen);
-new Express Rules: at the 2-hour point in a match, begin spotting any balls in excess of 4 above the head string; at the 3-hour point, begin spotting any balls in excess of 2 above the head string; at the 4-hour point the match ends, with the player ahead winning.
- 60-second shot clock with one automatic 60-second extension per player per rack;
- 3 fouls in a row is loss of game (did not happen);
- cue ball fouls only; and
- lag for opening break.
The 14 matches (59 games) streamed by Accu-Stats were as follows (shown in the order in which they were played):
Tues. Jan. 23, 2024
1. David Matlock defeated Skyler Woodward 3-1
Wed. Jan. 24
2. Roberto Gomez d. Christopher Salmons 3-0
3. Tony Chohan d. Scott Frost 3-2
4. Brandon Shuff d. Justin Hall 3-2
5. Naoyuki Oi d. Billy Thorpe 3-2
6. John Morra d. Danny Olson 3-2
Thurs. Jan. 26
7. Evan Lunda d. Tony Chohan 3-2
8. Shane Van Boening d. Billy Thorpe 3-2
9. Fedor Gorst d. Nathan Childress 3-0
10. Louis Demarco d. Jayson Shaw 3-1
11. Van Boening d. Gomez 3-2
Fri. Jan. 27
12. Gorst d. Joshua Filler 3-0
13. Van Boening d. Gorst 3-1
14. Gorst d. Van Boening 3-0 (Final)
■ Breaks by side of table -- 25% (15 of 59) from the breaker's left and 75% (44 of 59) from his right
■ Games won by breaker
When breaking from his left side of table -- 12 of 15 (80%)
When breaking from his right side of table -- 28 of 44 (64%)
Total -- 40 of 59 (68%)
■ Games won by player who scored the first point (or had it scored for him) -- 48 of 59 (81%)
■ Matches won by winner of lag -- 9 of 14 (64%)
■ Match lengths
Longest in total length (2 hrs. 28 min.) -- Shuff defeated Hall 3-2
Highest in average minutes per game (29.7 min.) -- Shuff defeated Hall 3-2
Shortest in total length (37.1 min.) -- Gomez d. Salmons 3-0
Lowest in average minutes per game (12.4 min.) -- Gomez d. Salmons 3-0
Average match length -- 80 min.
Average minutes per game -- 19 min.
■ Distribution of lengths of games:
Under 10 minutes -- 8 games
10-19 minutes -- 31
20-29 minutes -- 10
30-59 minutes -- 10
60+ minutes -- 0
Total -- 59
■ Distribution of game scores:
8-7 -- 6 times
8-6 -- 1
8-5 -- 5
8-4 -- 4
8-3 -- 6
8-2 -- 5
8-1 -- 8
8-0 -- 17
8-(-1) -- 5
8-(-2) -- 2
Total -- 59
Average game score -- 8 - 2.4
■ Average match score -- 3 - 1.2. Four matches ended at 3-0, 3 at 3-1, and 7 at 3-2.
■ Ball counts by length of run:
The total ball counts resulted from the following runs and fouls.
1 ball -- 87 times
2 balls -- 48
3 balls -- 31
4 balls -- 21
5 balls -- 7
6 balls -- 8
7 balls -- 10
8 balls -- 10
9+ balls -- 0
Plus balls pocketed by opponents -- 43
Minus fouls -- 58
Plus DCC negative score adjustments -- 10
TOTAL ball count (59 games) -- 588
■ Distribution of run-outs to win the games:
1 ball -- 18 (31% of 59 games)
2 balls -- 15
3 balls -- 6
4 balls -- 2
5 balls -- 3
6 balls -- 2
7 balls -- 4
8 balls -- 9 (15%)
Average (mean) "out" run -- 3.4 balls
Average (median) "out" run -- 2 balls
■ High run-outs
8-and-outs -- 9 times: 2 by Thorpe (both in Match 8) and Gorst (Matches 9 and 12); 1 each by Chohan (Match 3), Morra (Match 6), Oi (Match 5), Shaw (Match 10) and Van Boening (Match 13).
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Stats -- 2024 Derby City One-Pocket, January 2024
Here are some statistics from the 2024 Derby City Classic's One-Pocket Tournament, played January 21-26 at Caesars Southern Indiana Hotel & Casino in Elizabeth, Indiana with pay-per-view streaming by Accu-Stats. Fedor Gorst won the event...
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STEVE ASKED ABOUT RE-RACKS
this was AtLarge reply
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re-breaks occurred in 5 of those 59 games shown in the Accu-Stats Arena.
[vs. 6 in 76 games last year]
this was AtLarge reply
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re-breaks occurred in 5 of those 59 games shown in the Accu-Stats Arena.
[vs. 6 in 76 games last year]
ReRacks due to a ball pocketed right? Can I ask why we don't just spot the ball and keep playing where the other balls lay. So often when the breaker makes a ball in his pocket he actually hit it poorly and leaves the cueball in a weak position below the first diamond. I feel like this break should be punished. Just my thoughts.
lll
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yes you can ask jesse
but the re rack rule has been extensively debated
with your suggestion among the many versions discussed
but
the way it is now is what ultimately has been used the most
i doubt it will change as it is becoming more and more established as a rule
jmho
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Scrzbill
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It amazes me that SVB is such a force still at the DCC
unoperro
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Why are you surprised by that? It's not the Mosconi Cup.
Scrzbill
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At lot of players have come and gone. Where’s Tony this year.
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"
Games won by breaker
When breaking from his left side of table -- 12 of 15 (80%)
When breaking from his right side of table -- 28 of 44 (64%)
Total -- 40 of 59 (68%)"
Got it.... always break from the left side of the table and never ever break from the right side. Copy that, lesson learned.
Lol
Games won by breaker
When breaking from his left side of table -- 12 of 15 (80%)
When breaking from his right side of table -- 28 of 44 (64%)
Total -- 40 of 59 (68%)"
Got it.... always break from the left side of the table and never ever break from the right side. Copy that, lesson learned.
Lol
androd
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■ Games won by breaker
When breaking from his left side of table -- 12 of 15 (80%)
When breaking from his right side of table -- 28 of 44 (64%)
Total -- 40 of 59 (68%)
I'm guessing most of those breaking from the left side are right handed !
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ouch
Billy Jackets
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I think that all the time, I go back in my mind and think of all the great players , including champions , that just up and quit playing at the top of their game. It is a very telling statistic , if we are listening.
one day...
jtompilot
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What surprises me is that Shuff beat Hall. It's a race to 3 so anything can happen.
What's Danny doing when he's not traveling playing pool?
unoperro
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Well Danny was ill with long covid last year from after BCA till about December. Since he has been seriously practicing. He helps his dad with the Masonry business and some apartments.
There are at least 2 matches of Danny playing at dcc. In the match against Lunda there is a game which showcases the problem in hiding on the wrong side of the stack. He knows now clearing the ball from the opponent's pocket is the right move.
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