tylerdurden
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Ghost, here is your shot. If you think this is a winning shot I am not sure what else to say. That is your hole over there on the left. If you want to keep arguing after you see this, you win.
I know you are leaving him on the wrong side of the stack but I think it's ok when you are in a tough spot like this.
I think at the table I would still shoot the 4-railer, but thanks for this. Something we all should have seen and at least considered. (Just the kind of shot Freddy was talking about!)
Good post John...it's good to see someone respond in this positive way for a change: acknowledging another presented option in a positive manner, instead of ignoring it, or knocking it/trying to find a way to tear it down, as is done so often around here.
- Ghost
Let me start out first by saying that both Tyler and the Ghost chose viable options in spite of leaving the cue ball on the wrong side of the stack which is fundamentally wrong. However, there will be times (like this one possibly) when leaving the cue ball on the wrong side of the stack is correct. Of the two shots I prefer Tylers over the Ghost's choice because it moves balls and possibly could change the complexion of the ball configuration, which in turn could lessen some of the strength of the oppositions position. But in no way am I saying that the Ghost's option was wrong, both options leaves their opponent in a safe position while executing a legal shot, which in turn puts the burden to respond back to them. The down side of Tylers option, which can't happen with the Ghost's option is that a ball may leak to Tylers side of the table ending up in a position for his opponent to either bank it into balls and create a stronger position, or possibly just play off of the ball and position the cue ball back into the stack. If I were to choose Tylers option I would be mindful of that and let up on the speed of the shot just enough to possibly guard against that from happening. You also run the risk with Tylers option that a ball may come back into the stack and dislodge the cue ball from it's secure position, another reason to let up with the speed of the shot. However, shooting Tylers choice with a harder speed will move more balls and most likely improve your position much better, if you're willing to gamble on the possible return options you may leave which leaves us with much to think about to make a decision. Also gambling in situations like this one is common because of the limited options available, and none very attractive. Playing Tylers shot with aggression isn't all that bad because of the good cue ball that will be positioned in the stack, in spite of the risk's potential. Once again both options are viable ones and should be considered as such in certain situations. FOOD FOR THOUGHTPossibly Rod...but I'll have you 100% jacked with you having to make a bridge over the cluster, so you might not kick the one accurately...and if you did hit it perfect, I will probably kick back, at the striped ball that's above Gabe's pocket.
- Ghost
I would really be pissed if some of our veteran creative players stopped posting suggestions, as I'm trying to soak up their knowledge. If their idea is not the right shot for me, then so be it, but it least it will be another option to mull over.
the return kick into the 1ball as an answer
It's discussions of this kind that opens up many doors for players in the thinking dept. and another valid reason that one pocket.org is clearly the best site on the web for learning not only one pocket, but pool in general.
Dr. Bill
Doesn't the return kick at the 1-ball carry a high risk of leaving a shot on the stripe beside it?
This place is soooo cool!
Even the limited amount of bickering seems usually to be motivated more by sincere difference of opinion than anything worse. And like the guy with the head of a buffalo said (what's his name?... Jose? ) you have a real talent for diplomacy without ass-kissing.
Thanks.
Doesn't the return kick at the 1-ball carry a high risk of leaving a shot on the stripe beside it?
This place is soooo cool!
OPG, you want answers? You're entitled to answers. Just kidding, of course your shot is an option and one I would consider (cough) had there mot been the 3 cushion escape available. I would put this option right there with all the other options mentioned, other than the 3 cushion escape option, i'll explain.Could Anyone explain why no one thought the long kick at the right side of the 15 was not a good choice? I shoot that kick a lot and wondering if I'm shooting wrong shot.
I know you're asking Dr. Bill
Since I suggested the shot I'll give you my take.
If you hit the stripe first and fairly hard, you might leave a shot.
If you hit the 1 ball, I don't think so.
You won't leave a shot unless you strike the shot way too hard. :frus
Rod.
No, I was really asking anybody, and your thinking is probably most relevant.
The how-hard is one of the things I was thinking about. Soft is safer, but too soft is the same as taking the first nudge foul. I guess even that is not so bad. Gabe taking the first foul there isn't NEARLY as bad as Larry doing it.
Thanks
efficiency with the execution of the shot
Dr. Bill
No doubt "risk of leaving a shot" applies more to me than to you and rod on that shot. I see the shot working very well with the right speed and the right hit. I always have to consider my "what if" downsides.
Thanks.